Episode 198: M&A Conferences In The RIA Space with Corey Kupfer
In the RIA M&A arena, fall is a busy time for conferences. I had the pleasure to attend two such conferences recently, both run by quality investment banking firms competing against one another in the RIA market. Despite each conference being run by competing firms, Echelon Partners and DeVoe & Co, I find it very fascinating the echoing themes between the two conferences.
The start of the Echelon Partners’ conference began with the 10th annual debate between Echelon Founder and CEO Dan Seivert and Mark Tibergien, former CEO of Pershing Advisor Solutions. The annual debate – which I find to be quite fun – involves Dan and Mark taking 6-8 current issues, assigning each an opposing side to argue, and holding a traditional debate. Think back to debate clubs in high school, except in the RIA industry. The debate ends with an online vote from the crowd on who debated their argument better, with this year Mark being the winner – evening the 10 years’ worth of scores to 5-5.
A topic that has come up often lately with my clients is discussing their options on different financing acquirers/minority investors. This topic, specifically in the investment minority space, happened to be one of the debate topics by Mark and Dan. While Mark and Dan debated on opposing sides, in the end, both expressed their opinions on taking on a minority ownership interest. From my view of their conclusions, they both expressed certain skepticism about the advisability of taking on a minority ownership interest in your firm.
This skepticism is very interesting to me because I’ve for sure witnessed more and more minority investors in the space. In fact, at the DeVoe conference, I met a new minority investor I’d not known before, and we discussed the positives of minority investments.
Some of the positives of minority investors are:
- You can make smaller deals, such as at 20% or less
- You still have a majority holding of your firm
- You can monetize your remaining stake later
- You can later take “chips off the table” and build growth capital
SKEPTICISM IN MINORITY INVESTORS
So, the trend of minority investors entering the space is in an upswing, but why is there so much skepticism in the space towards minority investors? Well, one of the truest criticisms is that you may think by taking on a minority investor into your firm, that you’re keeping control. For instance, you bring on a minority investor for 20%, you maintain 80%, logically one might think because they have a majority of the equity, that they have majority control which, to some extent, is true, but also not true in important ways. Simply put, majority control does not equal absolute control. You will still have to consult -- and even answer to – your investor, even if they have a fraction of the equity in your firm that you do due to contractual control rights that minority investors require in these types of deals. This also becomes increasingly truer, and more complicated, if you decide to piecemeal your firm out to several minority investors.
The types of contractual usually provide them much more power than their ownership stakes would otherwise dictate. For instance:
- Adding in a veto power over certain decisions, such as on larger deals (selling the company, mergers, acquisitions, etc.).
- Requiring budget restrictions (including on owner’s compensation), so if budget decisions are made outside of the restrictions, approval must be obtained.
While there’s validity for these minority investors’ contractual arrangements – protecting their own interests and investments – it can become troublesome for majority owners. The most obvious reason being having to give up a significant amount of control, despite having majority ownership and only having partially monetized their equity.
In the DealQuest Podcast, episode 198, I discuss more about the skepticism, and lesser discussed criticisms regarding minority investors.
THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE BEHIND YOUR DEAL
In addition to offering education, conferences also provide networking and connection opportunities to others in your space. While at the DeVoe conference, I discussed many important deal and RIA industry topics with other dealmakers, and one story struck me as an important lesson. One of the CEOs I spoke with talked about a deal he was making, and how the selling RIA firm had hired an environmental litigator (a friend of one of the partners) to represent their interests in the deal. Since the seller lacked adequate representation which was making the deal too difficult to get done, this CEO felt the best choice was to cancel the deal.
It's important you have the right people behind you during your deal-making process. This CEO did his due diligence and recognized that having an environmental litigator negotiate an M&A deal was not going to be successful for them. Some things to be sure of when choosing counsel to assist in your dealmaking:
- Are they qualified to negotiate? (IE: don’t hire an environmental litigator to negotiate your M&A deal.)
- Are they skilled and experienced in your industry and with deals (IE: don’t hire an RIA industry law firm that mainly focuses on RIA compliance not deals nor, on the flip side, an experienced M&A attorney who doesn’t know the RIA space)?
- What is their success rate of getting deals closed?
- How long have they been practicing?
- Are they coming from a qualified referral source and/or are able to provide multiple references from industry clients for whom they have done deals?
The importance of due diligence cannot be overstated. I emphasize it so frequently because failing to do adequate pre-due diligence and due diligence (including on the choice of your team) can ultimately land you in a very unfortunate situation during your deal.
RIA AGGRIGATORS & DEALQUEST PODCAST LIMITED SPECIAL SERIES
Another common theme between the Echelon and DeVoe conferences was that a significant portion of all the deals currently being made are by the “big aggregator and integrator firms.” At the DeVoe conference, it was cited that 91% of recent deals being made were by these types of firms.
At the DeVoe conference, they held two aggregator/integrator panels. It was, again, fascinating and inspiring for me to hear these major players discuss their philosophies, strategies, and what they’re looking to attract and see the maturation of the RIA industry - one in which there was practically no investment capital and significant deal-flow less than a decade ago.
It has, in fact, inspired me to run a special series on my DealQuest Podcast. On Fridays starting on November 11th, I will be running a special series highlighting the RIA aggregators and integrators within the RIA space. During this special series, I will be interviewing the CEOs and top executives of these major firms to create a resource that will help potential RIA sellers to understand the different offerings, models, benefits and comparative drawbacks of each of these firms and how they may align or not with a seller’s goals and objectives. This is going to be a great series. Tune in!
Conferences offer networking and educational opportunities – and I urge folk to attend them when they can – however, not everyone can attend them,so, my goal of this special limited series is to offer an accessible platform and space for these important RIA M&A-specific discussions.
Again, that special limited series will begin on November 11th, and air on Fridays for six weeks. You can check them out on the DealQuest Podcast, available wherever you listen to podcasts including on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker. He has more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker. He is deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is also the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast.
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